3-Bet Strategy: This Is Why (And How) You Need to 3-Bet More

pre flop 3 bet range

pre flop 3 bet range - win

Hand Analysis: 200NL

As a side note, this is online.
BTN: (Hero) $263.65
SB: $1025.38
BB: (Villain) $247.90
UTG:
UTG+1:
UTG+2:
Pre Flop: Hero has on the button.
Hero raises to $6
SB calls $6
BB raises to $18
Hero calls $12
SB calls $12
Pot is $51.30
Flop:
SB checks
BB bets $27
Hero knows that villain's pre-flop 3-bet range is wide enough to include AJ. Does hero shove here?
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Knew I was losing but called anyway. Should I have laid this down?

Party poker 5NL 6 max NLH
Hero 110BBs (effective) Villain 225BBs
Hero in the SB dealt AQs.
Villain in the CO raises to 3BB, button folds, hero 3 bets to 13BB, BB folds, villain calls. Pot is 27BBs.
I've got the villain tagged as a tight and fairly conservative player, I've been betting and 3-betting into them quite a lot, because I've been getting the hands to do so, though I am aware they must think I'm a little LAG. I wouldn't be surprised if they were getting a little tilted. They do over fold, something I've been trying to exploit.
Had they 4-bet pre-flop I was probably going to fold, given how tight they are, I was pretty sure they would only 4-bet with AA, KK, QQ, AK. I was fairly pleased with their call, figuring I'm up against QQ, JJ, AKo at worst, TT, 99, AQs, AJs, KQs at best.
Flop comes A43 2-tone. I did something a little strange here though, and checked the flop. I guess as I figured I was ahead, I wanted to try and induce a bluff. Villain bets 17BB, I call. Tbh that they bet 2/3 pot did have me a little worried, but a call seems fair? Pot is 61BBs
Turn gives a 4, giving a 3-tone board. I check, villain bets 38BBs. This has me worried and I go in the tank, as if I call here I'm pot committed. I'm sure I can count out them having AA, given there was no 4-bet pre-flop. Given how tight they are I put them on AK, but given there was no 4-bet pre convince myself they may be slightly tilted, or may be semi-bluffing (though I've not seen them bluff much). I call.
River is a blank, I check, they go all-in, and at this point I know they have AK. They have to have it. I have about 44BBs behind and reluctantly call - I have to call here right?
Villain wins with AKo. Literally this is the only hand that they can have, AA or AKs 4-bets pre-flop most of the time, there's only 6 combos of AKo out there. I don't see them having 3 of a kind, a set or quads because of the pre-flop play.
It is what it is, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, I just wondered if there were any glaring errors in the way I played the pot, and could I have got away from it on the turn or the river?
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Hand Review/Strategy: Microstakes Zoom EP Losses

Hey Guys,
I’ve been a losing player over the last two years online, mostly just considering my $50/month losses as entertainment fees. However, recently I’ve decided I’d like to stop being a net depositor, study some more and try and beat the games. I don’t have any aspirations to go pro or even really turn a major profit - I have a career and steady income - but enjoy the intellectual pursuit and would like to move up stakes as a challenge and eventually be able to beat mid-stakes online (NL100).
I have a wife and kids (and the aforementioned career) so really can only play ~1K hands/week. I like to read a lot, so happy to redirect some of that time to poker study (maybe 1 houday). I also recently bought PokerTracker 4 so I can start to understand my leaks/weaknesses and get a sense of how to improve.
I think I’ll spend 2 hours reviewing every 2.5K hands (twice monthly) and try and improve my play. The major adjustments I’ve made is tightening up preflop (basically playing the Upswing Preflop Charts) against anyone who appears to be a “reg” (150+BB stack is my main filter here, as I build up a DB on opponents in my HUD). I am playing a little looser against short-stackers, who I perceive to be weakefishier players - isolated with 3bets wider, calling wider in position/BB as I find they are mostly fit/fold and I believe I have an edge post flop.
I just did my first DB review session for my first 2900 hands in PokerTracker, and it was a pretty insane sun run (beating NL5 zoom for 45BB/100 - I know this is insanely lucky and have NO expectations that this is anyway sustainable - the first 300 hands were the tail end of a ~10BI downswing, so I understand that variance is real!).
Stats:
27/20/10 - I suspect this is too many hands for 6-max. I’m VPIPing 40% on button and 35% BB, too much)?
CBet flop - 54% (too low?)
WTSD% - 33%
WSD - 56.17%
I think one of my biggest leaks is feeling like I need to win every pot. I think I probably bluff too much when I don’t have it (I mostly try and bluff with good equity but will sometimes will run a low-equity bluff if I feel like I have a range advantage, think someone is c-betting too much, or I think I am blocking strong hands on the river). I also think I probably call down too thinly/call raises too much. It’s possible both of these leaks are related to VPIPing too high. These may also be much bigger leaks than I realize given that I’ve experienced such high positive variance during this sample.
I seems to have the worst results from EP so far (my only position where I am slightly losing over the sample) so I’ve pulled some hands and would love feedback on my approach:
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How to 3-Bet Like a Baller

"We're never going to hit the High Hand if you keep raising!". When you hear this, you know that you're at the right table.
If you play the same game that everyone else at the table is playing then you're just part of the herd. Most of the time at low stakes a 3-bet (written as 3! in shorthand) is for value. Every so often someone will 3! light (at low stakes this usually means a range wider than QQ+, AK). But even then the play isn't rooted in fundamentals. Now these aren't absolute statements. The point is that for a majority of the low stakes player pool the 3! is poorly implemented. At its heart poker is a math game to be solved. When you combine a fundamental understanding of the math with an awareness of who your opponent is you are well on your way to becoming a crusher.
Live 1/2, 9-handed. Folds to LJ(MP1) opens to 10. Folds to H(ero) CO. Let's see what we know about V(illain). V is loose. He loves suited Aces and suited connectors (SC). He's not positionally aware and likes to play pairs. Let's give him an open raise range of 20% of hands consisting of 262 combinations (combos); 22+, A2s+, A9o+, K9s+, KTo+,76s+. Let's see if a 3! to 30 is profitable (+EV) against this player.
First we need to know what the breakeven % is. The breakeven percent is bet/(bet+pot). So in this example it would be 30/43=~70. So we need V to fold more than 70% of the time to show an immediate profit. Holy shit! Thats a high bar to clear. Is it? We need V to continue (call or 4!) with less than 79 of his 262 combos for our 3! to be +EV. Lets construct his continuing range: JJ+, AQs, AK, JTs+. That represents 56 combos which means that V folds 78% of the time. Bada BING, bada BOOM! Notice that I never mentioned what our two cards are? That's because our two cards don't matter. This is an example of using math and "playing the player". If we hold an A or King, that reduces the possible combinations that V could have in his continuing range. This means that V could continue with a wider range and we would still meet our goal of V folding at a greater frequency than our break even %. Fire up Equilab or Flopzilla and play around with this to see.
There are ancillary benefits in being an aggressive 3-bettor. I'll leave you to reason these out. But just think of the times that you've been at a table with an aggressive player that is constantly applying pressure. And he's on your left. Checking and calling is for the prey. Betting and raising is what the predator does.
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Should he have called the turn?

Now, I understand I should have c-bet the flop, but I cannot see why he would call the turn here. Was my sizing off? By far the worst card to come out on the river...
Seat 1: Hero in BB (15547.00)
Seat 4: Villan in UTG +2 (22705.00)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 450.00
Dealt to Hero [Ks As]
Villan raises 1000.00 to 1000.00
Hero calls 600.00
*** FLOP *** [8c Ac 2s]
Main pot 2650.00
Hero checks
Villan checks
*** TURN *** [8c Ac 2s] [8s]
Main pot 2650.00
Hero bets 1660.00
Villan calls 1660.00
*** RIVER *** [8c Ac 2s 8s] [6s]
Main pot 5970.00
Hero bets 3878.00
Villan raises 7756.00 to 7756.00
Hero raises 8959.00 to 12837.00 and is all-in
Villan calls 5081.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Main pot 31644.00
Hero shows [Ks As] (a flush, Ace high [As Ks 8s 6s 2s])
Villan shows [6d 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Eights [6s 6h 6d 8s 8c])
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Confusing spot in the late stage of an MTT

This happened in the $15,000 weekly Sunday on WSOP. its an $11 Buy-in with and $11 re-buy and $22 add-on, Definitely the biggest buy-in I've played to date. I'm currently in 13th which pays $214. Villain is the Chip leader with $810,690 and has been pretty active for the short amount of time hes been at the table but hasn't seen many flops. The only hand i had seen him get to showdown was him smooth calling a short stack jam for 20k on the button then calling a 3-bet jam for 60k from the sb with 66. blinds are $4k/$8k. 29 players remain with the current payout being $77. OTTH.
Folds to V in the CO who opens to $16K.
Hero has AhKs on the button. 3-bets to $40K. should i be 3-betting larger here?
V calls.
Flop: (Pot is 99,000) Qd Js 2d.
V checks. Hero bets 33,500. Villian jams for 131,399 more.
Should i be calling here? I don't think he has any sets in his range. I think he would have jammed pre with QQ/JJ and likely folds 22 to a three bet. i beat any flush draws/straight draws and have plenty of equity against single pair hands. Also, should i be considering what my stack size would be if i win the hand vs. folding? If i fold i would have less than 20 BBs and bottom 3 or 4 but if i win the pot i would be top 5 in chips...if that matters?
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SUMO eats the market (DD)

Having seen a couple of posts about Sumo Logic it seems nobody really has an understanding about what they do so I thought I’d help break things down for the common layman. There has been enough commentary about the conservative multiple so I will instead try to discuss the market dynamics and technology shifts. I hope this helps bring awareness to this segment of the market and look forward to a discussion around these points.
Disclosure: I work in enterprise software and am long 10,100 shares @ $22 (screenshot)
TLDR: In a future where an infinite amount of machine data is being generated, only Sumo has the architecture that makes sense.

Overview of the logging market

Let’s begin by understanding what logs are. All digital machines generate data, everything from status updates from a server, traffic levels on the network, battery levels of your phone, and even temperature readings from your HVAC system. The amount of machine data generated will continue to grow exponentially, particularly as more and more IoT devices come online (smartwatches, cars, fridges, etc.).
All of these logs need a central repository to be stored, upon which analysis can be performed. Historically logs have mostly been from on-prem systems like firewalls, routers, databases, etc. however as more and more systems migrate to the cloud, these new cloud environments are generating logs as well.
These logs are important to the IT organisation of any company, to be able to track and answer questions such as:
This culminates into a single pane of glass, where companies can monitor the health and status of all their systems in one place. In addition to that, large companies are mandated to store logs for:
As a result, we can expect the logging market to continue to exist over the long term. The only question is, who is best positioned to meet this need for the future?

The current players

While there are many nuances and buzzwords around SIEM, observability, APM, IoT, etc. I will keep things simple and talk only about a relatively established and mature market – logging. It is a crowded market with a lot of players including LogRhythm, Loggly, Logz.io, Rapid7, IBM, Exabeam, etc. I will look specifically at the companies built for serving the Fortune 500, as this enterprise segment is where the greatest share of wallet is. Datadog deserves a mention, however their core competency is APM. Their log solution was through a startup acquisition and has a pretty negligible run-rate so we’ll ignore them in this discussion.
Company Founded Type Multitenant Market Cap (as of 02/21)
ArcSight 2000 On-prem (1st gen) No Acquired
Splunk 2004 On-prem (2nd gen) No 28B
Elastic 2012 Open Source No 15B
Sumo Logic 2010 Cloud SaaS (1st gen) Yes 4B
The original pioneer of the logging market is ArcSight, who were then acquired by HP and subsequently spun off to Microfocus. They are now dying a slow death, while Splunk is the current de-facto solution for most companies.
A CIO today has 2 main choices when wanting to implement a logging solution, they can either Buy or Build.
  1. Buy: Pay Splunk to help deploy in your datacentre. And then pay them professional service fees every year to help maintain and manage the software. And pay them based on the amount of data you send to them.
  2. Build: Get a bunch of your developers to build a solution inhouse using an open source Elastic stack (ELK). They then have to actively manage the system themselves to keep it alive and manually scale it up and down accordingly.

Architecture matters

The shift from on-prem to cloud
A lot of the latest high-flying SaaS companies haven’t really been that innovative. They are solving the same age-old problems, except doing it in the cloud instead. A few examples are shown below. In fact, a lot of these are done by the exact same people. Crowdstrike was founded by ex-McAfee guys, Zoom was founded by ex-Webex, and so on. No different with Sumo, which was founded by ex-ArcSight guys. The reason for this phenomenon is because these people understand their industry inside out and have experienced the challenges first-hand. They see where things are headed and want to do things a better way. Another common trend amongst all of these new hot stocks is that they were founded AFTER the inception of the cloud (AWS began in 2006).
The shift is both a technological one (on-prem -> cloud) as well as a business model shift (license -> SaaS). Sumo is in a similar position to capture this technology lifecycle shift, as workloads shift from on-prem to cloud. Naturally, logging and analysis should also occur in the cloud. This kind of scale is what the cloud was made for.
Incumbent Cloud SaaS Market
McAfee Crowdstrike Endpoint security
Siebel Salesforce CRM
Oracle Workday ERP
Webex Zoom Video conferencing
Remedy ServiceNow ITSM
While Splunk no doubt has a more mature product that can serve a broader range of edge cases, Sumo has managed to demonstrate product maturity by gaining a client like Macquarie Bank, a bank in Australia (case study available on YouTube). Anyone who works in enterprise software sales knows that cracking the FSI vertical is the holy grail, as they are super conservative, with lots of red tape and requirements. It’s one thing to convince a forward-thinking cloud native company (like JFrog or PagerDuty) to use your software, it’s another thing to convince a bank to send their sacred data to a third-party cloud.
A structural advantage: Multitenancy and Elasticity
Given the volume heavy nature of this type of business, architecture really matters particularly as the amount of data grows exponentially. The advantage with multitenancy ultimately manifests itself either in the form of better gross margins, or reduced costs to customers.
We know that this is where the market is heading, not just because every other SaaS vendor is multitenant, but also because Splunk is throwing big dollars in trying to reposition for the cloud. Splunk doubled their R&D budget, spending over $600m in R&D alone last year, which is probably more than Sumo has spent in its entire lifetime. They are desperately trying to catch up, but multitenancy is not a feature you can add overnight, as it involves rearchitecting your entire product. It is especially hard when you already thousands of customers using your platform, it gets even harder once you’ve bolted on a few acquisitions over the years. It is akin to trying to convert a regular combustion car into an electric car, while someone is driving it.
It took a long time for Splunk just to achieve the basic separation of storage and compute, a milestone they achieved last year. This is what happens when you’re trying to refactor code written in 2004, and throwing 10x more money doesn’t necessarily accelerate things by 10x. Frank Slootman (Snowflake CEO) had a fairly eloquent way of describing this:
You can put 1000 mothers on the task of creating a baby, but it’ll still take 9 months.
Splunk Cloud in its current form is simply a hosted solution, meaning that instead of hosting the software yourself in your data centre, you’re paying Splunk (who pays AWS) to host it. This is very different from a true cloud native SaaS solution (which is what Sumo is).

Asymmetric risk and incredible upside

Massive TAM
Sumo is backed by the crème de la crème of VCs: Accel, DFJ Growth, Greylock, IVP, Sequoia, Sutter Hill Ventures, Battery Ventures. Usually you see 1 or 2 of these names in any winning company, you almost never see all of them together. And even if you did, you definitely wouldn’t be able to get it at prices close to theirs. These people spend all day thinking about the future, TAM and competitive dynamics. And they allowed Sumo to make a big long term bet and spend 10 years developing the next generation platform. By putting their money where their mouth is, these people have validated the market and investment opportunity for you, and you’re able to participate in the upside at a price not too distant from theirs.
The last VC pricing round in May 2019 for Sumo was at $12 (~3x). For comparison, Snowflake’s last VC price in February 2020 itself was $39, and they are now trading around $300 (~8x). Typically, the majority of the gains are captured by the VCs pre-IPO, but in this case there is still plenty of room for retail investors to participate in the upside. Sumo is also barely scratching the surface with market penetration. Only 15% of their revenue is coming from outside the US, there is so much room for international expansion. Mature software companies usually see around 50% of their revenue from international sources.
Multiple Expansion
Prior to COVID, Sumo had a pretty solid and consistent growth rate. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to expect it could revert to the mean and get back closer to 50% once the macroeconomic outlook improves. There are many notable growth companies that have missed a couple of quarters, I remember when ZScaler had a quarter with 18% billings growth and the stock tanked, presenting an incredible buying opportunity for those who believed in the long-term vision and market opportunity, rather than quarter to quarter execution. Similarly in 2010, people back then were debating whether Apple’s stock was overpriced, based on whether they were going to sell 8m or 10m phones that quarter, which in hindsight seems a little silly and didn’t really matter.
Sumo Revenue Growth Rates:
If Sumo can get back closer to 50% growth rates, the stock could see significant multiple expansion. For perspective, other SaaS companies at 50% growth rates are currently trading closer to a 40x multiple, which would put Sumo closer to a valuation in the 12B range (roughly $120 share price). In addition, the risk reward here is asymmetric, given they are already priced in for a low growth rate. Meaning that if they do deliver a low growth rate, nothing much will happen and the downside is limited. Whereas if they manage to execute, deliver positive surprise during earnings and become the cloud leader for logs, the upside is incredible.
In the current rate environment and frothiness within software stocks, it is not unreasonable to expect that their market cap could easily go from 4B -> 40B within 3 years. What we have is a company that was good enough to go public during a pandemic, but was conservatively priced due to the short-term execution issues. While Sumo has had weak execution over the past 12 months, they are well positioned for the future due to the architecture they’ve spent 10 years building. In investing you want to spend more time thinking about what the future could bring, rather than what happened the past 2 quarters.

So why has the stock been floundering?

This is what I have been asking myself ever since the flopped IPO. In addition to the growth deceleration causing multiple compression, I think the real challenge Sumo has faced is that they may have been too early to the market. It wouldn’t be the first time that VCs were too forward thinking, the reality is that these large companies are relatively slow moving and trends take a long time to play out. Even across the broader cloud story, we are still in the very early innings.
More specifically, Sumo has been struggling with:
As they say, you want to be either the number 1 or 2 in any market. Sumo is not that (but has the potential to be).

The bottom line

Splunk is slipping
When your marketing team is busy pushing t-shirts, that’s how you know you’ve hit rock bottom and really have nothing good to talk about. It is also evident that Splunk has become a bureaucratic political beast. Their cloud team has had a different leader every 2-3 years. With those kinds of dynamics, it is very difficult to execute on a long-term vision and see the development through. Execs get paid on short term quarterly performance, and nobody wants to risk cannibalising their cash cow. There has also recently been a massive exodus within their sales team, which began with their CRO leaving, and this is usually a leading indicator that the party is over.
Elastic is a wildcard
The wildcard here is Elastic, as they have demonstrated product market fit and strong momentum within the developer community. They have been taking share from Splunk and may end up becoming the provider of choice, instead of Sumo. However if you zoom out, the idea of every company building and managing their own log solution just seems silly. This simply isn’t the way software was meant to be built, particularly since logging a common requirement across companies, and the devices generating these logs are also the same.
A better way to do things
My view is that any software that requires the buyer to maintain it, is garbage software. This is the case with Splunk and ArcSight where customers have to pay professional service fees every year for consultants to tweak and maintain it. And it’s the same case with Elastic which requires you to provision a team of people on keeping the system alive. With Sumo it’s pretty straight forward, you install connectors which route the logs into Sumo. From there Sumo processes the data and generates dashboards, etc.
Watch out for Q4 earnings in March
The most important thing obviously is that Sumo can actually deliver on the vision. A few important things are happening next month when they announce earnings, here are some things to watch:
Sumo needs to demonstrate a reacceleration in growth, and to signal confidence in the future. If they can guide >30% growth for FY2022, then a 10 bagger within 3 years is in sight. Any less than that and it deserves to trade like a donkey. Trade it if you want to bet on positive surprise next quarter, hold it if you believe in the long-term vision.
Final thoughts
I think that companies are going to move from Splunk -> Sumo when they get sick of getting ripped off, and as more of their workloads shift to the cloud. I think that companies are going to move from Elastic -> Sumo, when they get sick of needing to manage a solution, or when it gets too complex. I think that at the end of the day all markets experience margin compression and get commoditised, and that Sumo has a cost advantage due to their architecture. Only a true cloud native, multi-tenant SaaS platform makes sense for a world generating an infinite amount of data.
The One True King: SUMO
Edit: Here is a screenshot of my position https://imgur.com/jqbb94X
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Thoughts on my thoughts in 1/3 spot vs MAWG

Got into this spot over the weekend and was wondering if poker had some thoughts on my thinking amd decision making throughout the hand. I’ve been at the table for a couple hours and a MAWG sits down. Villain seems tight passive as he’s overlimped and hasn’t raised yet. Hero is 20s guy, has been betting/raising more than he’s been calling relative to the rest of the table and hasn’t gotten down to showdown very much so probably perceived as LAG. OTTH
Effective stack is $300 Folded to V in HJ and opens to $6. Table open raises have been anywhere between $10-$18 so this seemed like a weaker raise in LP.
Folds to Hero in Sb with AhTd. Because the table seems passive I feel like I can put the pressure on as the BB wasn’t playing back at me the whole session. Villain has overlimped and folded to post flop aggression a hand before so considering this I make it $25 and V calls.
Pot $53
Flop: 9sTh5s
Hero bets $30 and V calls.
Thoughts: Flopping TPTK on this board seems like a good spot for value. V could have a weaker T, a 9, or a SD/FD so a little over half pot seemed like a good size for value to get called by weaker hands.
Turn: 9c Pot: $113
Hero checks, V bets $30, H calls
Not the best card for my hand, but not the worst. I behind all 9s in villains perceived PF 3b call range that I think would only c/c the flop: J9s, 98s, 97s, maybe even as bad as 96s. I don’t think villain would just call flop with 99, T9s and JJ. I don’t think V would have taken this line with QQ+ and felt he would have raised 99 or T9s otf with the FD/SD. Checking here by me might seem like a mistake, but I felt this wasn’t a bet/bet hand as I don’t have any history with V. Villain fires small bet relative to the pot so I go ahead and call planning to check call blank rivers.
Pot: $173 River: 4d
Hero checks, V bets $45, Hero calls. Thoughts?
Any thoughts on my analysis here? Should I have bet turn to deny equity then c/c river? This is my first hand analysis post so feel free to give me candid feedback. I will post results later.
Edit: I edited some text that I skimmed over on my turn analysis.
Results: After Hero calls, villain fucking WRECKS him with 9h4h. Did not think he would call a 3! pre with the ol 9h4h ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
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54s 3 bet in SB hand review

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero in SB 5h 4h (150BB)
Folds to BU
BU opens to 2BB
SB (Hero) reraises to 6BB (I like to reraise this opponent because he folds to 3 bets preflop way too much).
BB calls (200BB)
BU folds
*** FLOP *** 3c 3s 2s
Main pot 14BB
Hero bets 10BB
V reraises 20BB
Hero calls
*** TURN *** 3c 3s 2s 6c
Main pot 54BB
Hero bets 54BB
V shoves, I have ~70BB behind
Hero?
Flop: The minreraise doesn't make sense to me here. I believe I am repping good pockets here, TT+. I feel like with V had a better pocket, he would've reraised me on preflop, so how likely is it he's on a flush draw? Is a call here worth it with an OESD and I could bluff him out on missed flush draws?
Turn: turn gives me the straight, and I believe I have best hand here. I just need to dodge the possible flush. Is a call here good? I believe V is risking 120ish BB to win 180ish BB. If he's drawing for a flush that just makes it barely not worth it, right?
Game is live 1/2. No reads on villian.
EDIT
I call the all in. Villian shows A5cc and rivers Jc for backdoor flush.
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How did I play QQ here?

Playing live 1-3 NLHE, Hero raises to $10 preflop in early position with QQ.
Player to my left (Villain) who just sat down 3-bets to $20. Player to his left (Villain2) who seems pretty tight 4-bets to $60.
Hero calls. Villain calls.
Flop comes J86 rainbow. Hero thinks and decides on a $75 bet.
Villain shoves all-in for about $120. Villain2 re-shoves for about $250 total.
Hero quickly folds.
Villain shows JJ for a set. Villain2 shows AA.
I’m obviously comfortable with the fold, but was my bet after the flop OK?
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1/3 middle set

This hand took place at a 1/3 table at Potawatomi casino in Milwaukee. It was late night, 3a or so, and we were 7 handed at the time.
V1 is YWG (young white guy) who is a recent table change, no reads. Comfortably dressed, has $500 in front of him. V2 is OWG (older white guy) who is loose preflop but pretty fit or fold post, we haven't seem anything OOL or impressive/creative from him. We have also not seen him 3bet pre. He has $250. We cover both.
V1 opens UTG to $12. We have 3s3c in UTG1 and flat. Folds to V2 in BB who 3bets to $38. UTG calls, we call.
Flop ($115)6s3d2h
Checks to us, we check behind.
Turn ($115)Js
V2 leads for $60, V1 calls. I think for a bit and raise to $180. V2 shoves his remaining chips in quickly. V1 thinks for about 10 seconds and re-shoves.
$980 in the pot and $220 more to us. Can you ever fold here? Seems like no but V2's line seems so insanely strong here...like no one at the lower limits would ever do this with a FD. Might be a no-brainer call, but wanted to get others thoughts.
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Live 1/3 with KK in a 4bet pot.

Hero and villain both have about 450-500. Villain is a bad reg.
Folds to hero in the CO with KK who raises to 12.
Villain (BB) 3bets to 40
Hero 4bets to 110
Villain calls
FLOP TJQr
Villain checks
Hero checks
TURN is 2 completing the rainbow
Villain leads out for 150
Hero?
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Hands for Review

A few hands from this afternoon's session of 10nl Zoom (which didn't go well).
Hand 1:
BTN: 104 BB SB: 220.1 BB Hero (BB): 101.5 BB UTG: 168.6 BB MP: 675.4 BB CO: 102.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kh Ks fold, MP raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, MP calls 7.2 BB
Flop : (20.5 BB, 2 players) 8s 7c 9d Hero bets 8 BB, MP raises to 35.3 BB, Hero calls 27.3 BB
Turn : (91.1 BB, 2 players) 9s Hero checks, MP checks
River : (91.1 BB, 2 players) 5d Hero bets 56.2 BB and is all-in, MP calls 56.2 BB
MP (fairly competent player) opens and we 3bet in the BB. Villain calls.
Flop is pretty meh but just want to get money in the pot since we are ahead most of the time. We face a huge raise. I don't there is anything to do but call.
Turn is interesting, as it lessens his combo of 99 to one now. We check of course and villain checks back. At this point I feel pretty strongly he has a hand like Q10-A10s or 10s-AA. He would likely barrel with any boats and most over pairs, so this (imo) further narrows his range to 10x. He could have a hand like 78, 67 or 66 as well which would likely check back the turn.
River isn't amazing by any means. However, as I mentioned above, I feel like his range is mostly composed of some sort of 10x (besides J10) so I decide to push the edge to the max and shove. Could be kind of punty because a good opponent will occasionally check back boats and quads on the turn, as well as J10. At this stake though that seems unlikely.
Hand 2:
Hero (BTN): 112.1 BB SB: 130 BB BB: 119.9 BB UTG: 439.6 BB MP: 126.8 BB CO: 114.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad Ah fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5 BB
Flop : (16.5 BB, 2 players) 8s 5h Qd CO checks, Hero bets 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB
Turn : (26.5 BB, 2 players) Jc CO checks, Hero bets 13.2 BB, CO raises to 30.4 BB, Hero calls 17.2 BB
River : (87.3 BB, 2 players) 5s CO bets 71.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 69.2 BB and is all-in
A fairly tight, passive player opens in the CO and we 3bet OTB. Villain flat calls.
Flop is very dry, so when we get checked to we elect for a little smaller than 1/3 pot. Villain calls. His range is still pretty wide at this point.
Turn keeps the board dry as well. For this reason we decide that 1/2 pot is the best sizing to keep in hands like AQ, KQ, KK, Q10s, etc and other random draws or crap he may have. Curiously though we get a small check raise. He could definitely have a set, with 88 or JJ probably the most likely hands. Seems like in a CO v BTN situation QQ and JJ would likely 4bet. But he could also have something like QJs or even AQ that he thinks is worthy of a check raise here. So we call.
River is an amazing card for us. We are now beating QJ and only losing to sets. For this reason, and SPR less than one, I think we must call.
Hand 3:
Hero (BTN): 200 BB SB: 126.3 BB BB: 448.4 BB UTG: 110.2 BB MP: 105.3 BB CO: 100 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Th Kh fold, MP raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold
Flop : (5.9 BB, 2 players) Ks Qs Td MP bets 2.9 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, MP calls 6.1 BB
Turn : (23.9 BB, 2 players) 6h MP checks, Hero bets 17 BB, MP calls 17 BB
River : (57.9 BB, 2 players) 5d MP checks, Hero bets 14.4 BB, fold
A fairly tight villain opens in MP and we flat OTB.
Villain bets half pot on flop and I think we have a clear flop raise on a super scary board. We can get value from tons of 1 pair and drawing hands. Villain calls.
Turn is a brick. We elect for a fairly large size for the same reasons that we x/r the flop, i.e., scary boards with lots of draws. Villain calls.
River is another brick and I think we have a pretty clear bet/fold situation here. A small value bet will probably get a call from a hand like AK or Q10. If he has us beat he will surely raise and we can fold. This does open us up to mucking the winning hand if he decides to bluff, but I think that's a risk worth taking in this spot.
Here is a pic of my nasty ass graph today: https://imgur.com/a/2A57ANX
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[1/3 Live] Getting 3b with a middling pocket pair

Despite this being a Tuesday afternoon game, it's playing pretty splashy since we're at the Encore Boston Harbor. Half the table is straddling and there's above average action.
Hero has been opening a lot of hands in the past half hour, all for value but the table is verbally getting sick of it.
Eff. stack is 200 (Villain's stack). Villain can probably be classified as a LAG. I've seen him get caught bluffing twice in the hour I've been siting.
Pre Flop: Hero is in MP with 8h8d
V is the UTG straddle to 6.
One caller.
Hero makes it 25.
Folds back to V on the straddle who pops it to 80. Leaving himself with about 130 behind.
Folds to Hero.
Hero?
Not getting the odds to set mine here obviously but I'm ahead against all the Ax's which this villain definitely has here sometimes.
Also 88 is probably slightly stronger than what he puts me on here.
This player type will also shove almost any flop and this is a decent bluff catcher for that.
4b shoving here preflop would be over-repping our hand.
Hero elects to call.
Flop ($170): Jd7d3s
As expected, Villain shoves his remaining 130.
Hero?
Results: As played, I think this is pretty close to a snap call once I call the 3b preflop. My read is right and he has AQo and we get a clean runout. Is this a profitable line in the long run? I would fold on any Ace high flop
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Igknights: The Untold Meta Potential of an Underutilized Menace

Igknights: The Untold Meta Potential of an Underutilized Menace

Introduction: Just Get to the Point!

Before you scoff at the post by the title and length and write off into the comments on how ridiculous of a claim this all is, I want you to come back after watching this replay using nothing but a fairly sub-optimal test hand first:
https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=7005-24986499

What you just witnessed was a 60-card deck, with a sub-optimal looking hand, churn out a True King of all Calamities (VFD), Herald of the Arc Light, live 3-material Apollousa protecting from hand traps including Nibiru, and draw 2-3 cards, with more resources to spare. All with alternative plays to go around interrupts and the flexibility to potentially extend into other cards if needed.
Yeah, Igknights can do this, and they always could have done this. It's easier than it looks, more likely to happen than you think, and it's as potentially dangerous as it seems.
We need to talk about this.

Part I: The Deck in Question

So, let's get right into it. Here's a current deck + Duelingbook download of the specific deck you just saw:
A draft of the 60-card monstrosity that is Igknights
(Duelingbook download: https://www.duelingbook.com/deck?id=7239524)
We can go over the deckbuilding decisions, card choices and the two OCG cards later, because this is not the point. I'll keep it brief: Most of the cards are non-negotiable combo pieces and/or extenders. I'll explain the Igknights in a moment. The currently-OCG Rose Dragon package is replaceable by Deskbot 001 and either Coltwing or Aerosguin for VFD setups. The only cards I'd consider cutting are Astolfo, Genba, the 2nd Olivier, or Red Layer. Neo Space Connector package is mandatory because the hand knowledge is too valuable. Arfeudutyr is because we're in a partial-Control format where popping backrow is a useful tool to have and I needed another Equip Spell name. You only need the one Gearfried and Sublimation Knight as you'll soon find out. And the Side Deck and Extra Deck can be changed to whatever your goal or preference is depending on what you're running or planning. Like I said, none of that is the point.
The point is, despite looking like a 60-card mess, this deck, and the combos it reaps, are unfathomably consistent to the point where it may just overshadow Dark Warrior Turbo as the go-to best turbo engine in the game.
But, don't go off calling blasphemy over the claim that a 60-card deck could ever be touted as consistent just yet, because there's actual math and science backing this claim.
Strap in boys, you're gonna be learning today!

Part II: What's an Igknight?

You might have noticed the staggering amount of Igknights in the main deck. While a normal person would advise to cut down on the cards that seem like they would take up unnecessary space, the truth of the matter is: You want to run as many Igknights in the deck as possible, for the exact reason that it takes up space.
Let's start with the Igknights. They're all Normal FIRE Warrior Pendulum monster pairs ranging from Levels 3 through 6, each with Pendulum Scales 2 through 7. While they do nothing as monsters on the field, in the Pendulum Zone, they all share the same following effect:

If you have an "Igknight" card in your other Pendulum Zone: You can destroy both cards in your Pendulum Zones, and if you do, add 1 FIRE Warrior-Type monster from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand.

Yep. Any FIRE Warrior monster, from either your Deck or GY. Any. It can be another Igknight or a Battlin' Boxer all I care. No once per turn restriction or any noticeable restriction besides needing any other Igknight in the other zone for that matter on them either. This was made almost six years ago.
So, what does all of this mean? Well, unlike when they were first released and had almost no valuable cards to retrieve through their effects, it means Igknights act as the door to almost anything and everything imaginable when built around due to the cards they can now search and offer newfound synergy, and with great synergy to boot. That's right: Igknights, despite flopping upon their initial release, turned out to be way ahead of their time.
And MY GOD, that consistency!

Part III: Explaining the Expectation-Shattering Consistency

As you saw from the replay, opening any 2 Igknights is equivalent to an instant Isolde by adding Sublimation Knight, a FIRE Warrior, from deck to hand and using it to spit out Squeaknight. As everyone probably knows, getting Isolde out likely leads into nasty combos and plusing that could spell doom once it hits the field. One lesser known fact about Isolde is that while you cannot summon or activate the effects of the Warrior it searches, you can still set it in Pendulum Scale. By doing this, you can complete the Pendulum Scales and retrieve the Igknights you initially popped as more fodder for your plays, and then pop the scales you currently have to search again. From there, your imagination is the limit as you have the ready materials to make almost anything.
And it doesn't stop there. You also have access to additional extenders or starters either on your person or at the beckoned call of the Igknights. What's more, you don't necessarily need the Igknights to enable Isolde, as the numerous extenders you have also provides material for an Isolde summon. If anything, the flood of Igknights makes the aspect of summoning Isolde even more consistent than any 40-card deck could do, because the Igknights all double as starters, extenders, recovery, and even combo pieces for your other extenders. Furthermore, the high number of Igknights smother the required combo pieces for the deck's success which you would rather not open and jam your opening plays, meaning they in turn provide additional consistency thanks to being redundant in all doing the same thing no matter which other Igknight is in scale with it. You also don't need to stuff the deck with too many copies of staple extenders like Olivier or Gearfried, because they are all easily-accessible and even recyclable from the GY.
All of this means that, out of the 60 cards in the deck you saw, in order to achieve anything close to the combo that went down, all you need is to open almost any combination of 3 out of the first 48 cards you see in this deck list, all thanks to the huge amount of Igknights dropped in and the utility they provide. Opening like this not only prompts the green light for the full combo, but it also at the bare minimum secures an extension if the opponent ever decides to interrupt the early parts of the combo.

To contextualize how insanely consistent this feat actually is, let's go to a hypergeometric calculator and prove this.
Now, I use https://stattrek.com/online-calculatohypergeometric.aspx for my calculations, and it gives a detailed explanation on what the function is and how the calculator and equation works because I really do not want to waste more time on it than I have to. But here is a quick summary of the online calculator:
Boring explanation of Hypergeometric variables
  • (D) = Total number of cards in deck
  • (k) = Total number of desired cards you want to see in opening hand in deck
  • (H) = Number of cards drawn for your opening hand
  • (x) = Minimum amount of desired cards you want to see in your opening hand

So for this example, the number of cards in the deck (D) = 60, the number of cards drawn for opening hand (H) = 5, and we need to open at least (x) = 3 out of the (k) = 48 desired cards in deck.
Now, we have our variables, so we plug them into the calculator, hit Calculate, and look for P(X ≥ x), or in this case P(X ≥ 3) because the opening hand needs at least 3 or more of the desired cards in deck. Doing so, we find that the odds of opening this combination and thus access to the full combo is...

The results are... wait, what?
...95%.
95%!?!?
That is an ABSURD value for consistency, especially given the requirements asked for it! To give context, a full Prank-Kids deck maxing out on each individual Prank-Kid and their Field Spell plus the 1 Terraforming has 16 1-card combo starters for their full combo (assuming no interruptions), and when put into the same calculator under a 40 card deck, opens that full combo 93.5% of the time. This means that the act of opening 3 cards in a 60 card deck is around as if not more consistent than one of the most consistent 1-card combos in the game, and arguably provides a better end result.

Now, it could be argued that there are some smaller combinations that you could open under these conditions and still not have any opening play, such as opening once-per-turn duplicates or more specific extenders like Gearfried with no way to summon it. There is also the argument that the last 12 cards are garnets that you never want to open and opening any of them would spell doom for your plan.
But, in the grand scheme of things, none of this really changes anything. Even if we try to low-ball the probability we found by factoring in said idiosyncrasies, it still wouldn't account for some of the 2-card and even 1-card plays that the deck can muster, which would by in large nearly cancel the shrunken probability.
Furthermore, none of the remaining 12 cards in the deck are "hard garnets", which means even if you had some of them in your hand, it would not mean that any part of your combo is impossible because none of them have to be in deck in order to search out or complete the combo. The calculation given factors the worst case scenario where 2 of your opening cards could very well be those last cards, but you can make a combo using them anyway. Hell, it's sometimes possible to perform a full combo even if you opened 3 of the 12 cards, but I chose to not include that possibility as to not over-complicate things and to further low-ball the overall odds.

So to summarize, this 60-card deck asking for a 3-card combo turns out to somehow be just as if not more consistent than arguably the most consistent 1-card combo in the current game, and ends on a better board too.
Oh, and that essentially means we might have a deck that vomits out VFD more consistently and reliably than Virtual Worlds can.
Convinced yet?

Part IV: Counterplay... if you can call it that...?

Okay, so we all see that it's pretty much guaranteed to open this monstrosity of a combo, but how easy is it to interrupt them when they go first?
Well, here's the thing: It's surprisingly difficult. Let's start with the big elephant in the room: Unless it's Ghost Ogre or they're under Droll beforehand, you cannot hand trap the Igknight effects. The Igknights are worded in a way where they pop themselves in scale as part of their effects and are not once per turn, which means even if you negated the effect with Ash Blossom or Ghost Belle, they could just do it again and you wasted your hand trap.
As for the entire combo line, because of the quick access to either Gearfried or Apollousa and the abundance of readily-available extenders either in hand or at beckoned call by the Igknights, it's frankly crazy hard to find a single choke point down the combo line before it's too late. Simple negates or interrupts like Ash, Veiler, D.D. Crow, or Belle most often than not act either as annoyances or sometimes non-factors if the correct extender happens to be on standby, or pointless by the time Gearfried or Apollousa comes out. Not even the blowout hand traps are easy roadblocks for the deck. Nibiru is easily preventable and very easy to extend past otherwise (search Olivier, summon it with its effect and use it and the token for Halq anyway), Droll isn't a guaranteed blowout because Ogier can provide a hilarious workaround to the block (remember that Igknights also add back from GY), Lancea only prevents certain avenues that can easy be replaced with other improvised plays (oh no, you can't banish for Divine Sword, it's not like you could do anything else or something), and while Gnomaterial is annoying, it's not necessarily a turn-ender on its own (you should have the extenders to make plays around it or even pop it yourself at times, you're fine). Imperming the Halq won't end the game either, because on the next turn they can tag Halq out for Roland to net a follow-up play for their next turn, while they still have a live Apollousa, typically more, at bare minimum.
The only hand traps with a radically high chance of preventing the play are Dimensional Shifter, which will completely prevent the play but is forcibly uncommon given how few decks can actually use it, Psy-Frame Gamma or Herald of Orange Light + a Fairy on the Isolde, which is difficult but still feasible for them to play around, or a very uncommon Ghost Ogre on the Igknight effect and pray that they didn't open the extender or additional Igknight. So, your best bet to prevent this deck from popping off when going first is either by opening those specific hand traps or opening at least 2, realistically more, effective hand traps against them, which given the near-guaranteed odds of them opening at least Isolde plus an extender, the odds are entirely against you.

Part V: But can it go 2nd?

As for this deck's chances going 2nd... well as pessimistic as it sounds, who cares? With the current Tier 1 decks and unfair "you cannot play Yugioh" cards available to them, we're in a format where boardbreaking is nearly impossible thanks to VFD and (if this deck is anything to go by) hand traps either need to be perfect or extravagant in order to prevent combos from going off if they can at all. The deck here is built like an FTK turbo deck because that's what most of the format realistically is unless your deck plans to always open the perfect hand trap or blowout card at every conceivable point or set 5 backrow and hope that's enough. At that point, why bother diminishing the near-guaranteed consistency for only having a small chance for your chance to draw an interrupt to matter unless you know it will be useful after siding?
Or, you know, you could not be a nihilist and instead be a realist? Nothing is stopping you from making some room for hand traps or even board breaking tools by trading it for some of the excess consistency anyway, because that's exactly what the Side Deck is for. Besides, the Ghost Girls are all Level 3 Tuners that you can Pendulum Summon from hand off the Igknights anyway, so either way they'll be useful sometime. In theory, the deck can have about as much of a time going 2nd as pre-banlist Dragon Link did when put in that context, so take it however you like.

Conclusion/Discussion: What the hell is this?

What we have here is, in my opinion, a custom-combo deck that is not only infuriatingly-difficult to prevent from popping off without the correct floodgate or excessive number of interrupts, but the birth of a ludicrous turbo engine with untapped potential that could very well rival Dark Warrior Turbo. It is ridiculously flexible, as it can theoretically make any strong combo board, is not restricted to specific boss monsters or combos, can waltz past most interrupts, has plenty of room for changes and additional techs given its base consistency...

...yet, for some unexplained reason, nobody bothered to use it.
Yeah, what's strange is that none of this stuff is all that new, it's existed in the game for a long time but nobody decided to break the limits of the deck. In fact, it baffles me why nobody used this instead of the more commonplace Infernoble Knight builds that had terrible cases of opening unplayable hands. For example, by using Deskbot 001 and Mecha Phantom Beast Coltwing, it was completely possible for this Igknight build to end on 3-material Apollousa that prevented Nibiru, Borreload Savage, Herald of the Arc Light, a search off Synchro Roland in the GY, and Charles equipping and triggering a Smoke Grenade hand loop while circumventing most hand trap interactions.
All without using Linkross. While Linkross was legal!
But nobody used it.

I don't understand the logic behind this. It couldn't have been because it was a 60-card deck because Dragon Link was pulling the same thing and proved that it could work and be consistent with 60 cards. It was entirely possible to run hand traps at the cost of some of its already-nuts consistency, so a lack of hand traps can't be the issue. It couldn't have been a meta call because Infernoble Knights were still Tier 1 at the time and during previous formats before. And it certainly couldn't be because this was a worse rendition of an already-effective deck, because this could be argued to be a better version of the deck for accomplishing the same things but with strictly better consistency and ability to play past hand traps while proving rarely any additional weaknesses.
So, what happened? Why has nobody used this in a competitive setting? Was it stubbornness? Elitism? Bandwagon mentality? A lack of innovation? If it flopped, why and how did it flop? I legitimately have no idea why or how this never took off in a competitive setting, and invite anyone to chime in on why this never left the ground the way it should have
Or, more preferably, to go out there and prove that this underappreciated deck is something to be legitimately feared by skeptics and competitors alike.
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Hand Analysis

This hand comes from a session I just played at my local card room. It's a 1/3 game with a variety of players. I'm into the game for $500, the game usually plays pretty deep with straddles, and have run into some tough spots so I'm down to $265
Hero is on the button with AJ o. Villian makes it $15 from early position and gets one caller. Hero makes it $40 and gets called by villian and a player in late position.
Flop comes KQ7 rainbow. It checks to hero where we bet $45. Villian raises to $105. Other player folds and we jam for $160. Villian asks for a count and makes the call. Asks if we have a set, not feeling good about this. The board runs out 4 9 and he turns over KQ o for top two pair.
At this point I'm down $500 and have been playing for about six hours so I decide to cut my losses and go home. I'm left wondering if I shouldn't have called his raise but with my draw and over card I couldn't help myself. Would you have done anything differently?
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Cooler? Or was the river shove a mistake?

Ignition - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 181.6 BB UTG (UTG): 62.6 BB MP (MP): 22.8 BB CO (CO): 100 BB BTN (BTN): 78.8 BB SB (SB): 49 BB
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Dealt to Hero: 9s2c
fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 0.6 BB, Hero checks
SB lets me play so I will play.
Flop (2 BB, 2 players): Th7c8d SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB
Obviously I call.
Turn (6 BB, 2 players): Qd SB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB
Easy call. You can argue for a bluff raise here as well but SB vs BB tends to be sticky.
River (12 BB, 2 players): 6d SB bets 11.4 BB, Hero raises to 175.6 BB and is all-in, SB calls 31.6 BB and is all-in
I hit the nut straight I'm ready to stack villain here. I debated between a large raise and shove but thought a shove is better because I get max value from all the hands that would prefer to flat call my raise.
SB shows: Jd7d (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 67%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)
SB wins 93.2 BB
Villain has loads of sets and 2 pairs that would happily call my river shove, they potted the flop so a draw is fairly unlikely and given the preflop limp they can have any number of 6x 2 pairs like T6, 76, 86, and the like. I felt I crush enough of villain's calling range to not be afraid of shoving, so was this just a cooler?
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Went back to live poker last night and immediately put myself in a spot

Playing in a 5/5 home game that plays pretty deep. I have extensive history with villain and he's one of my good friends. He is extremely aggressive. He has been around poker for a long time, thinks in ranges, and despite being positionally aware he still plays way too many hands, calls 3bets out of position waaaay too often, talks himself into paying off river value bets with marginal hands that he should either just fold or turn into bluffs, etc.
Effective stacks are around 15-1600.
Cutoff limps $5, hero raises to $25 on the button with 9Tss villain calls in sb, and cutoff comes along.
Flop ($80) 8c9hAh SB and CO check, hero chooses to bet $50, SB raises to $175, CO folds and hero peels it off.
Thought process: Went with the cbet because we have a hand that could benefit from some protection/folding out equity in addition to sometimes getting a street of value from worse hands. I'm still at an overall range advantage and it just seems to me like bet is slightly better than checking. Went with a slightly bigger sizing since board is dynamic and pretty coordinated. Peeled off the raise as sb definitely 3bets me with AT+ pre and he also plays his draws very aggressively. His value range will be 3 combos of 88, one combo 99, A8s, A9s, and 89s. It's possible that he is extra wide and has some 89o. Bluff range gunna be his JTs and by the same logic some JTo if he's extra wide, in addition to a bunch of hearts combos.
Turn ($430) 8c9hAh Jd Villain bets $405 and we peel it off again.
Thought process: Turned some equity, still think he's repping a narrow range that winds up being pretty bluff heavy. Suspicious if his sizing as I think he likely bets like 300-350 if he's nutted.
River ($1245) 8c9hAh Jd Jc Villain shoves $975 and we're in the mood to play a 3k pot so we look it up
Thought process: probably one of the better cards for us to see here. If he had A8, A9 or 89 I expect him to check now as he just got destroyed by my continuing range. I block JT. I block 99. His range now heavily consists of missed heart combos and he has 4 combos of sets and one combo of JTs. I think this is a pretty clear call tbh but open to criticism if this is too ambitious. Noteworthy addition: plan was to bluff shove river if he checked here.
Gunna refrain from posting results for now so that there can be unbiased discussion on the hand for a bit before I post em. Lmk if you guys like my line and thought process throughout.
Results edit: Hero runs into the 88 but still feels like river is a slam dunk call. Moral of the story: check back flops with medium show down value type hands so you don't level yourself into losing 3k pots against friends and get needled about it for the rest of the night.
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Call or Fold River? 1/3 Hand Analysis

1/3 Live @ Casino. This hand takes place with hero UTG with KhKd. Villain in the hand is CO player, a Tight passive *reg*, I guess. Hasn't 3 bet once in like 3 hours, just limp calls a lot pre, opens here and there but when he opens he is very strong as his opening range is very tight.
$280 effective for V, we cover. Hero opens to $15. Villain and SB call.
Flop ($48) Js8h4h - SB checks, Hero c-bets $25. V calls, SB folds.
Turn ($98) = Js8s4h (7c) - Hero leads $55, V calls again without a lot of thought.
River ($208) - Js8s4h (7c) (Jd) - Hero checks, V bets $145 leaving about $40 behind...

Hero?
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How to deal with players who think you "play like an asshole"

I've been playing weekly home games with a group of old friends for about 18 months. They are all generally new players that like to limp in and stick with a wide range of hands to showdown. Recently decided it was time to be more aggressive instead of just limp/check/calling the entire time while they learned the game.
If I raise pre-flop, three bet, check raise, etc, it's always met with eye rolling and complaints of me "playing like an asshole". I'm on a bit of a winning streak since I started making these plays which is just making things worse. Since people have been getting frustrated they're more reluctant to show up every week.
Has anyone ever dealt with a situation like this? I'm sick of playing their style of poker but this is the first consistent game I've managed to get together in 5 years and I don't want to lose the group.
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Tough situation on a mid-stakes rebuy tournament with AQo

UTG: Dealt to Hero (29BB) [ Ac, Qs ]
Hero raises [2.5BB]
Everyone folds
Villain (12BB) at the Big Blind calls
Pot is about 6.6BB
Flop: 2c, 5s, 6s
Villain (10BB) checks
Hero (26.5BB) checks
Turn: 2c, 5s, 6s, 3c
Villain bets 50% (3.3BB)
Hero calls
Pot: 13BB
River: 2c, 5s, 6s, 3c, Jc
Villain (6.5BB) bets 50% (All-in)
Hero calls
I did not have my HUD on, so I can only describe the Villain. They were playing kind of wacko and LAG and honestly a bit spewy. They were on their second bullet on a rebuy tournament. I figured they were trying to get a quick double-up because the Late Registration was closing soon. So I thought that if he had any Ace, it was going in preflop, along with any Jack that's JTs+. Don't know which 4s they were calling pre-flop as well.
I thought that this was a justifiable hero call (at least a good percentage of the time) against that type of player, with me having the Ac as well. Too many suited connectors with Spades they might have could have taken a stab at the pot and any pair or two-pair will usually check down the river. At least that's how I saw it during the hand.
I'm having some trouble pinning down the ranges of the Villains at the table and was wondering if that thought-process is logical or if there's anything that I might be leaving out or misinterpreting in my analysis.
Thoughts?
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Can i ever make someone for Quads here?

Yesterday my friends and I played in our weekly poker game. We all buy in at $20 which is 40BB. The following hand was the very first of the night. 5 players at the table, smaller than usual, a few guys couldnt make it.
Hero(UTG) is dealt AcAd. Hero raises to 3BB(a decent sized bet since we buy in so short stacked), folds to BTN and SB who both call. 3 way to the flop. Both players, like everyone else in this home game has a pretty wide limping range.
Flop is Ah8h6s
SB checks, Hero bets 6BB, BTN and SB both call.
Turn is 2d
Brick doesnt change much. SB checks again, Hero bets 8BB, BTN calls, SB folds his K10h. Heads up to the river
River is 8d
Hero has Aces full Boat, Hero shove all in, BTN calls with a shit eating grin and turns over 8c8s.
What do we think here? BTN doesnt really bet big unless he has it, not a huge bluffer, and anyone at this table would limp in almost any bet pre flop and they are huge on chasing flushes and straights. I figured he had nut flush draw (turns out that was the SB) I shoved to make it look like i was bluffing, i have a reputation as a bluffer in the game, and am always getting told im full of shit when i bet big. What could I have done differently here? or do I just chalk it up to the game of poker?
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